Poll

We had a lot of problems with Ubuntu's "patching everything" policies, specially with Karmic. Would it be ok for you if we switch to Debian for next iso releases?

Yes, Debian is better.
77 (86.5%)
No, please stay with Ubuntu.
4 (4.5%)
I don't care, it's ok in any case.
8 (9%)

Total Members Voted: 7

Author Topic: OpenGEU's future and Ubuntu vs Debian  (Read 23796 times)

darkmaster

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Re: OpenGEU's future and Ubuntu vs Debian
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2010, 03:58:36 pm »
+1 for Sid.  I'll take Debian over Ubuntu any day.

***Dumb question here...***

Will OpenGEU keep its name or will it change to OpenGED or OpenGES in light of this potential change?
I've been thinking about this. The name already changed once I don't think we're changing anytime soon. The name in any case is not wrong: it's easy like Ubuntu.
I have not strong preference, and I voted accordingly.

You have made me curious, with your statement that Debian is faster.  I hadn't given it any real thought - now I'll have to test.

Things to think about, huh?  Thanks!
Yeah, Ubuntu has so many patches and weird workarounds... it is really way slower than Debian.

torpex505

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Re: OpenGEU's future and Ubuntu vs Debian
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2010, 04:28:31 pm »
+1 for Sid.  I'll take Debian over Ubuntu any day.

***Dumb question here...***

Will OpenGEU keep its name or will it change to OpenGED or OpenGES in light of this potential change?
I've been thinking about this. The name already changed once I don't think we're changing anytime soon. The name in any case is not wrong: it's easy like Ubuntu.

I do recall this being a pain when searching for OpenGEU related ploblems.  Having to search twice using both "OpenGEU" as well as "GEUbuntu". 

On another note, any ideas as to how long this change would take to impliment?  I am looking to convert my eeePC over form Win to OpenGEU.  I'm just wondering if I shouldn't wait until the first beta release to do so.


darkmaster

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Re: OpenGEU's future and Ubuntu vs Debian
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2010, 04:34:29 pm »
+1 for Sid.  I'll take Debian over Ubuntu any day.

***Dumb question here...***

Will OpenGEU keep its name or will it change to OpenGED or OpenGES in light of this potential change?
I've been thinking about this. The name already changed once I don't think we're changing anytime soon. The name in any case is not wrong: it's easy like Ubuntu.

I do recall this being a pain when searching for OpenGEU related ploblems.  Having to search twice using both "OpenGEU" as well as "GEUbuntu". 

On another note, any ideas as to how long this change would take to impliment?  I am looking to convert my eeePC over form Win to OpenGEU.  I'm just wondering if I shouldn't wait until the first beta release to do so.


look, this debian based idea is really preliminar. It is not even in early stage :)
We'll have to code some hard things...

verdegal37

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Re: OpenGEU's future and Ubuntu vs Debian
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2010, 05:07:24 pm »
Yeah, Ubuntu has so many patches and weird workarounds... it is really way slower than Debian.
Just a note , the two fastest distro with E17, is based on Mandriva, sure! ..
Although this would be another poll ..... Mandriva or Debian .  :D :D ;)

Greetings:
Agust

babel

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Re: OpenGEU's future and Ubuntu vs Debian
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2010, 06:31:30 pm »
I have tested a lot of distros based on ubuntu and i have always prefered those based on debian (which is the "real mother"). I hate the sudo comand, for example, i think is a big hole in security, so i think this is a great step for autonimy and freedom. Good for OpenGEU

zoe-scutterbug

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Re: OpenGEU's future and Ubuntu vs Debian
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2010, 06:51:32 pm »


I would like to give my full support to the continued growth and improvement of OpenGEU.
The move to Debian seems like an excellent idea.

Maybe moving to Debian might also result in maybe more developers being interested in supporting the project too.

Zoe (unable to contribute much as I am currently off line at home as I am unable to use a wired/able or phone connection...considering dongles, but a wireless weak spot)

dbasener

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Re: OpenGEU's future and Ubuntu vs Debian
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2010, 09:25:30 pm »
I really didn't care between Ubuntu or Debian - both great.  However, you all are doing the work, so whatever you want is what should be.  If using Ubuntu makes things harder, then use what helps.  So I voted for Debian.

Thank you!


Offline djohnston

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Re: OpenGEU's future and Ubuntu vs Debian
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2010, 10:54:56 pm »
Just a note , the two fastest distro with E17, is based on Mandriva, sure! ..
Although this would be another poll ..... Mandriva or Debian .  :D :D ;)

Greetings:
Agust


I voted Debian. I have to agree with babel on the sudo command. It still doesn't feel right to me. There are other reasons for going with Debian, but I won't go into that here. On Mandy Vs. Debi, I'd have to go with Mandy for the Control Center. Many system settings available in one GUI. I've always had some glitches with adding e17 to a base Mandy or PCLinux install. Not installation glitches, performance glitches, most likely due to KDE and e trying to perform some of the same system tasks. Seems like starting with a sparse XFCE or Gnome install works better in the long run. But I've only been using e17 for about a year now. Still learning the ins and outs.

In any case, I voted for Debian. If it came down to it, I'd prefer Mandriva, "ye olde Mandrake", (Mandy), thank you very much.

torpex505

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Re: OpenGEU's future and Ubuntu vs Debian
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2010, 01:01:25 am »
I just had a thought... if this switch were to take place, would you then be working alogside the elive team?  It could be benificial to both distros.

I did enjoy elive in the short amount of time that I used it, I just didn't appreciate their "donate-to-download" policy.  Not sure if thats still the case anymore, but it left a bad taste in my mouth so I won't be trying it again.

Offline RLT

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Re: OpenGEU's future and Ubuntu vs Debian
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2010, 03:46:22 am »
I would be able to use OpenGEU again if you use Debian. The majority of my computers will not operate right with the newest versions of Ubuntu. One of the work a rounds/ patches kills the networking and video portions.

Debian works fine on all of them.

Offline alexandre

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Re: OpenGEU's future and Ubuntu vs Debian
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2010, 04:17:11 am »
I vote Debian.  I've gotten a real hatred of Ubuntu lately.  I have only regret, I may need proprietary firmware for my wireless.

jedmarv

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Re: OpenGEU's future and Ubuntu vs Debian
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2010, 06:03:34 am »
I've never cared for Ubuntu anyway.  OpenGEU was Ubuntu's only redeeming quality.
Ubuntu would mess up my OpenGEU when I upgraded.
So, definitely switch to Debian.

Erekose

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Re: OpenGEU's future and Ubuntu vs Debian
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2010, 06:56:51 am »

    Great idea DM!!.. It will give you all more time to put releases together.Also with Debian it won`t wreck
   anyones install as they upgrade. ;D

                                                  Erekose

darkmaster

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Re: OpenGEU's future and Ubuntu vs Debian
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2010, 09:46:45 am »

    Great idea DM!!.. It will give you all more time to put releases together.Also with Debian it won`t wreck
   anyones install as they upgrade. ;D

                                                  Erekose
LOL, it's Quaker's idea he actually had to convince me for a long time. Pablo was all for this too... I was still hoping one day we could become an official *buntu but I guess that with the latest ubuntu releases I reached the bottom of my patience.
I just had a thought... if this switch were to take place, would you then be working alogside the elive team?  It could be benificial to both distros.

I did enjoy elive in the short amount of time that I used it, I just didn't appreciate their "donate-to-download" policy.  Not sure if thats still the case anymore, but it left a bad taste in my mouth so I won't be trying it again.
Nope, there are 4 main things that keep me and the others away from Elive:
1) we don't think things the same way. Elive is a showcase of Enlightenment itself, and that's ok as idea, they have their goal: include in the distro anything E-related and show off Enlightenment. For us it's different: OpenGEU has the goal of making Enlightenment work for anybody easily at all costs! So we actually include gnome parts to complete the Desktop Environment, they'd never accept things like Geutheme, our powerful Themes Manager. And Geutheme is pur key feature to make the user feel no difference in his desktop experience of Enlightenment or Gnome apps!
2) Since we want Enlightenment to be user friendly, we code in that direction, DIRECTLY into the Enlightenment team! We believe things must be done from the roots, so we developed Ecomorph, Shellementary, a custom OpenGEU Wizard Page, Entrance, EStickies in elementary, Places and Trash module, EFM.... we developed tons of the Enlightenment features people enjoy today thinking they are just E features that where going to be there anyway no matter what! So other people include all those things in their distros and that's OK because we coded for Enlightenment, therefore they just include enlightenment... but a lot of people do not realize where certain things come from. Like the lapsus in where people thought that Thanatos from Elive was the author of Ecomorph, while it is Hannes J. from OpenGEU instead. Elive mainly codes things specifically for their distro and do not believe that E has to be easier, apparently. We cannot live with this.
3) The forceful donation thing is stressful. I never liked it, really.
4) Huge design personalities cannot live in the same distro when they have very different approaches: I'm a designer, Pablo is too and we work well together, I honestly don't fall in
love with the design implementations from the Elive Team but I do love the intentions and the ideas. That's why, I admit it, OpenGEU has always been Sunshine and Moonlight, like Elive day and night themes. But I do things way differently, you can see a huge difference in the style the moment you look at our distros!

KillEMOall

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Re: Testing deb Repos Updated
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2010, 10:08:49 am »
Hey!
I trust the OpenGEU team! Vote for Debian!

InTiLinuX Forum

Re: Testing deb Repos Updated
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